Saturday, October 1, 2011

Is Karate based on Tiger Style Kung Fu?

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I'm doing a report, and I'm trying to gather some info. I know karate comes from "te" meaning hand, and that then evolved in the cites where is was practiced such as Naha and such.





But, "te" had to come from Chinese "kung fu" or "Wushu"... What styles of Kung Fu were MOST influential in the development of Karate?





I know White Crane Style was involved in Goju ryu's circular (soft) movements, but what about the Hard or linear aspects???





I heard that the "hard" linear aspects of Karate come from Tiger style kung Fu, most specifically black Tiger style kung fu. Many Martial artists have told me that, but for some reason I cannot find written evidence online to support that claim.





Does anyone know more on this??? Can anyone tell me if Karate's "Hard" linear qualities are derived from Tiger style??? Can anyone refer me to a website or book that talks about Tiger style's influence on Karate???





ANY help you might have is greatly aappreciated!!|||As far as I know, "ti" roots are purely Okinawan.





It was a Grappling Art similar to Classical Aikijujutsu and Shuai Jiao.





As Master Pugpaws pointed out, your information is flawed.





Karate is NOT "linear" and it definitely is NOT "hard". According to historical accounts, there is some Tiger Boxing influence from the Fujian Branch.





Fujian White Crane has a greater influence in the Shuri Styles overall.





The influence of the Naha styles I would say has influence from the Hakka Arts - Southern Mantis, Dragon Shape Boxing in the Footwork, and the hand work of Crane, Fujian Tiger, Luohan, and Southern Mantis and Dragon(Hakka).





No martial art style is linear. This is a huge misconception. If they were truly linear, they would be useless against attack.





So Karate is neither linear nor is it "hard". That is another misconception.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pREGRgqlE鈥?/a>





Karate is powerful, but it is not hard.





Much of the historical information out here is flawed so you're going to get conflicting versions.|||as Pugpaws and Sensei Scandal pointed out karate is from Okinawa, based is incorrect, more like influenced by Chinese arts as well as many other countries, Vietnam Philippines, Thailand and so forth all had there influence in the development of okinawan-te (tou-de, karate)


black tiger kung fu is suppose to be an influence for the kata naihanchi, but there are several theory's for naihanchi as well. as well as being influenced by other styles from china





karate is both hard and soft, linear and circular. it is not solo one or the other but both. being pure hard and linear is inaccurate as sensei scandal said





sensei scandal gave an excellent description of karate and its origins as well as pugpaws|||Your assumptions are flawed before you have begun. for starters there are known to be at least 300-400 different styles of what we call Kung-Fu (or Gung-Fu). Karate developed in several places over a period of time in Okinawa. Although Karate was influenced by Chinese styles, it was not based on any one style of Kung-Fu. There were a number of different styles of Chinese martial arts that influenced Karate's development. Also there were the indigenous fighting arts that already existed in Okinawa. You simply can't pin it down to one source from China.





With that said you also make a common mistake of assuming that Karate is mostly linear, and hard. Karate has both hard and soft techniques. It also has both linear and circular technique. Although styles are though of as being hard or soft styles, they all have elements of both hard and soft. for instance, in the hardest punch some muscles are tense, while other muscles must be relaxed or soft to not hinder the technique. all styles have both linear and circular techniques. you can even do a basic punch from the hip without the shoulder moving in a circle. Look at each joint in any technique. also look at the combination of all joints involved in any technique. Even stepping forward, which can be described as being a linear movement is only accomplished because we move joints in a circular way.








...|||Hung gar is the most popular style of kung fu. hung gar came from Shaolin temple and pass to legend Wong Fei Hong. and later to Lui Chai Liang. Every style borrowed from hung gars most popular techniques, tiger%26amp; crane, from ed Parkers Kenpo to many karate styles. karate means china hand, and years later japan changed it to empty hand. Look into the history of HUNG GAR should help.

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