Chinese Kung fu has no answer to ground fighting? Agree...?

Chinese Kung fu has known for its aesthetic appeal and weaponry but once on the ground, a kung fu practitioner is at the mercy of a jiujitsu practitioner. most fight in the street are by surprise so the kung fu practitioner won't have a chance to get into their much practice stand and are helpless. Most street fight will end up on the ground and the kung fu artist will surrender.|||I AGREE ALL THE WAY WITH YOU !





ALL KUNG FU STYLES ONLY INCORPORATE STRIKING !





I'VE SEEN 15 TO 20 "BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU VS KUNG FU" FIGHTS,


AND ALL THE KUNG FU MASTERS WERE TAKEN DOWN AND


SUBMITTED WITH IN 5 MINUTES MAX.


SOME WERE SUBMITTED IN SECONDS.





By the way, Chuck Norris does not do Kung fu.


He is a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu jitsu.





Ginger C, Slamming from the guard is actually a BJJ move


and I'm sure they did not teach him (or her) that in his


Kung fu class.|||Disagree. For one, a Kung Fu practitioner, should have no reason to even be in a street fight. This is basically another post saying this are is inferior to ground fighting, and BJJ is God, right? It really gets annoying.





1. Most fights end up on the ground because both untrained fighters get off balance (lack of a good stance) and then end up tumbling into each other like they are hugging. Not because someone intentionally wants to take it to the floor.





2. Notice how I said ,"untrained fighters" tumble to the floor. If by any chance a practitioner were to fight (again very unlikely) [lets say a San Shou practitioner] he should know how to keep a good stance, and not stay in too close.





Now, I can't say BJJ in impractical. But you swear that every 8/10 people you fight practice BJJ. I train in BJJ, so I know what its about.





Now go play jiu jitsu with you gi joe toys, and let the big boys who actually practice it talk.|||1st kung fu is a generic term covering many systems.SHUAI CHAO or CHIN NA or SHI SHI YU are all chinese grappling systems .





2nd any fighter irregardless of style who takes it to the ground in the street is a poorly trained idiot of limited knowledge and skill.Skilled fighters never take it to the ground in real fighting unless absolutely neccesary.Even the GRACIES advise against it in their bjj for self defense book which is 90% stand up technique .





You are obviously one of those "trained for sport " morons that can be found in all systems without any real world experience .If you watch MMA bouts you will see grappling isn't all that much of a priority and any untrained tough street thug can ground and pound you while you are trying to do your fancy grappling stuff and keep your head covered at the same time.


Ground and pound is not grappling .|||Kung Fu does have ground fighting in it.





Most fight in fact do not end up on the ground.





Most fighters will have a difficult time on the ground with jui jitsu practitioner. If they are good. But that doesn't make them a better martial artist. It just means more of their focus in training is on the ground. There are many martial artist kung fu and others that will make the bjj guy tap out. It really depends on the individual artist.





It is not the style it is the artist. You also need good instructors.|||real fights with no rules usually dont go to the ground like grapplers...before even the wrestler or BJJ try to get close and take down kung fu fighter,they are either get strikes at their vital areas...even if the grapplers are strong and manage to bring it to the ground...grappler defence on the ground is very limited and expose a lot of vital point areas which can not be used in octagon competition rules...biting any part of the body,pulling of hairs,tearing the ears,pinching the nose,eye gouging,squeezing the throat..etc....depends on individual who are willing to do anything to survive or win the fight...so to me grappling or ground fightin in real fight doesnt work...end of the day its still punching and kicking and pounding...im talking about fights with no rules..not UFC or whatever similiar to that|||Er... false-ish. Any system that emphasizes stand-up fighting and impact-only techniques will not have as good an answer as grappling/groundfighting systems, but hitting someone is better than nothing at all. I also don't believe that most streetfights end up on the ground, unless you mean one fighter ends up on the ground after getting sucker-punched. And "kung fu" is a pretty broad term, and it's not a good idea to paint all Chinese systems, of which I was once told there were over 400 different types, with the same brush. Some systems, such as "dog boxing", actually revolve around a downed opponent attacking a standing opponent. But if you're saying that studying CMA's will not make you a good groundfighter, I agree.|||Blah blah blah, we've all seen the Gracie promotional videos. BJJ nuthugger extremists are about as bad as the eff-tards who think that eye-gouging, nose-hair-pulling, scratching, testicle biting, and all that other crap is the all-encompassing solution to ground grappling.





Let's just save ourself some time, whip out the rubber ninja stars, and pelt to death the morons who believe that





1) Grappling is the end all be all of real fighting.





2) Grappling skills have no place in real fighting.





Both parties are woefully delusional and are plaguing Y/A with misinformation. If I didn't come on here merely for the lulz, I'd be pretty pissed at said people.|||not many martial arts that predate the last century have much ground fighting. And yes you say weapons are in kungfu. Modern society has taken our weapons, and replaced them with sports. hence the wrestling aspect of Judo for instance. You and a lot of other people say "most street fights will end up on the ground". And really if anyone is any good at their art they won't let this happen. You have been watching too many MMA UFC fights my friend. That's the problem with MMA, it confuses people into brawling like school kids, on the ground. In real life situations, this would be dangerous...as while you're trying to do some choke with your legs, your enemies mates are coming up behind you with knives You really don't stand a chance on the ground.|||whats the question.. i mean you put a question mark at the end of a statement.... that doesnt make it a question.. you could say "DOES chinese kung fu have no answer to ground fighting?" some styles do but bjj's system tends to be more comprehensive.. i have seen some good ground fighters come from a chinese kung fu background.. i guess it depends on the fighter... |||The idea is..... you have to GET them to the ground first. I'm not talking MMA, I'm talking live-or-die survival.


In ALL the street self defense situations I have been in, I have NEVER been taken down.|||Disagree. Kung Fu is not wrestling. A Kung Fu fighter would have floored its opponent first in any situation. If the opponent is too strong,then the fighter would evade by tactics.|||kung fu does have ground fighting if you train itn it properly. so whats with all the questions trying to put down kung fu?





also not most street fights end up on the ground.|||Whatsup with you and posting rants about Kung Fu? Get a life.|||i agree even though most fights are started standing up although they dont always in that way |||so your saying chuck norris would get his *** beat|||If I'm not mistaken, there is Shuai jiao (chinese wrestling) so a kung fu practitioner should be able keep on his feet. There is also Chin na ground fighting moves but there's not a lot of focus. On the ground, yes I would expect the Jujutsu guy to win.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iN0jXxT8鈥?/a>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IjmnMaCk鈥?/a>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrn鈥?/a>





However I must argue with you'r point that a video of some kung fu guy vs Ken Shanrock counts as proof that kung fu has no answer. Are you so nieve as to think that the best chinese martial artists or even every style are in America? Are you so naive as to think that the original UFC events were so well known that all the best of every style would come? How do you know they were genuine kung fu guys? Can their lineage be traced back? Even so, does that mean they're true representatives of kung fu?





I must also argue with you're point about kung fu practitioners being surprised.





1) Most fights start by surprise? (WRONG)


2) Won't have time to get into their stance? (When you're good enough, you don't need to, and even if you have to, your stance becomes second-nature switch you can which into easily, even by surprise)


3) Most fights end up on the ground? (That's because most fights involve two idiots. A kung fu guy will not go to the ground unless he meets someone who can take him to the ground expertly, which is extremely unlikely on the street. How many martial artists start fights?)





What you're basically implying by your logic is that all stand up styles (Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Boxing, Karate) are all useless in a fight. But you also advocate that styles that make good UFC fighters are good, which is contradictory, because those styles that I have mentioned in particular have made some great fighters.e.g. Anderson Silva, GSP, Lyoto Machida, Bas Rutten.





I mean you no offense but it seems to me like you don't practise martial arts at all, becasue many of your assumptions are just worng, quite frankly. I would suggest learning a good chinese martial art to fill in the gaps of your knowledge.





@ - Ty M - You say you're sure he/she wasn't taught that in their kung fu class but that is just a downright lie. You're not sure at all. How could you possibly be sure? What you really mean is that you 'hope' they weren't. Have you trained in a large variety of different styles? The truth is that you know very little and all you've seen is off the internet or from word of mouth.|||ahh yes the ignorance of youth.





how many kung fu styles have you personal see?


and i'm not talking about the crap you see on tv. you dont know anything about kung fu if you make a statement like that.





and in a street fight in my area if you end up turning it into a ground fight they will take you away in a body bag.


you people need to get out of your training schools more if you think all fights end up on the ground. that is the case in a one on one scenario only. in real life its not always one on one.





edit:%26gt; you are comparing one kung fu fight. and making a description based on that.


i know kung fu schools that wipe the floor with jujitsu people.


don't judge 100's of styles on one fight only a fool would do that.


there are a lot of kung fu styles that do ground fighting.


you need to get out more an look at accully schools before making a judgment like that|||The more you post the absolute trash that is coming out of your "brain", the more you show how little you know about martial arts.





It also shows your tendency towards racism.





"gannoway" is synonymous with "wannabe".





Get a life and live it somewhere else, moron!





Go, Hammy!!!, Go Hammy!!!, Go Hammy!!!





Ty M - Once again you come here with your useless answers that are absolutely and unequivocally... WRONG!!!





Tell your mommy to enroll you in a martial arts school...





better yet - you AND gannoway deserve Tiger Schulman's, since you both have the spirit of the typical McStudent!





I didn't answer your question because it is trash. You need to find someone that is willing to teach you(God Forbid!)





You're not asking questions to learn something, you are here to spread your misconceptions.





You want to promote an agenda based on lack of knowledge.





I study Southern Mantis. It is not related to Northern.